get into the specifics of restructuring medicare, making tough choices on spending to drive down the deficit, to get into a battle about what it would mean if you slow the rate of growth in turnover to the states. so here's a guide by trading for 1015 years has added a think tank, we he can wage a specific debate. right now, joe biden have said it before off-camera. he respects paul ryan. barack obama walked away saying you know what? i like this guy because i don't agree with him, but he has a command of the issues. >> he did see that tonight and that's why i agree with john a little more than i agree with you. it was only a passable performance. the possible might be enough. he would've got so much street crowd by doing a little tiny bit because this is already some anti-obama has been hammering romney on. this is a place where he could have helped mitt romney and himself. they've talked about do you want to find. maybe another missed opportunity. until that began, we were talking about what is being said. face president -- >> i am baffled about the republican ticket. i think they're a lit